August 3, 2008

Right now I have been biding my time, working on Blender, etc.    But I need to buckle down and solve the problem of using .tod, and get writing scripts for our films.  It is sad that we have not gotten farther than this yet.  But who am I?  I know that if we are to suceed in doing this, I must lead you.

So, forgive my delay.  We will see if I will be able to solve the software issues, and get some good results.  I successfully converted a HD SP .tod file to 720×480 .avi, but I want to be able to use the full HD someday, so this will not solve my problems always, unless I can change the settings (which I most likely can, but I haven’t done it yet.) But when I try to edit it in Premiere Pro 1.0 the video freezes at a certain point, and is stuck till the last frame.

Anyhow, I have yet to finish MIG, solve .tod, prepare more Blender stuff, and something else as well.

May God bless you in the coming days, and, may you now, at this moment, discover your purpose.

Don’t forget.



  1. hi,

    stumbled across your blog….im having similar hd7 issues with .tod files. basically my computer (and editing software premiere 1.5) won’t handle hd – so having to down resolution to 720 x 480 – which is fine as i am initially on planning to send stuff online. im using mpeg streamclip, but often when i bring the converted file into premiere it is jittery nowhere near as clear as the original. I tried ulead visual studio 11.5 plus ($115 i have applied for a refund)…but i think that is a joke of an editing program, but it did seem to make a reasonable .avi file out of the .tod file (when it didnt crash! – which was often). i have spent many days on the net trying to get the right workflow.

    one thing i did come across was that the aspect ratio flag on the .tod files confuses the converted files…eg when i brought quicktime .mov files into premiere the aspect ratio changed to 4:3. however after much searching eventually found a solution somewhere which involves simply reinterpreting the footage in premier and changing the pixel size from square 1.0 to ntsc 1.2 and bingo your back to widescreen. that might be why when you export from the timeline the aspect ratio is wrong…

    There is another workflow involving virtualdubmod and avisynth (all free i think) which i havent tried yet. the problem with all these different workflows is the quality aspect…some people think its ok when its not and vice versa…so its difficult to say without actually going through and testing it all out yourself (hugely time consuming).

    There is also another workflow using cineform’s aspect HD – but that is expensive and only works with premiere 2 and above…but it is supposed to be very good indeed…it can read .tod files straight off and creates a cineform intermediate file which is much smaller in size but without any visual loss.

    I then stumbled across another similar wavelet codec to the one cineform use called morgan mjpeg200 or something like that. It only costs $30. but not sure how to actually use it and i don’t know if it reads .tod files and not sure whether premiere can accept it. That might be worth looking into.

    lets keep each other posted on any developments and good luck. Its a real shame as the camera is excellent and great value too…i got mine for $800 and there is nothing like that around with the full manual controls etc. Once we get this nailed it’ll be plain sailing!


  2. socrato,

    Thank you for your comment.

    I found a way to convert the files from .tod to Mpeg2 while still keeping the HD SP resolution. I am not positive how I did this and will have to trace my steps and remember.

    You can edit HD with Premiere Pro 1.5 with an update (plugin/patch – something of the like.)
    See: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/hdv.html

    Once you convert the files from .tod to a usable format, editing in HD may be possible with Premiere Pro 1.5. I have Premiere Pro 1.0, so this is not an option for me.

    Thanks for giving me the heads up on Ulead Visual Studio and not to buy it. ;D That can save some research time.

    Yes. I had trouble with the aspect ratio before I discovered where to tell it to interpret the footage differently. Thanks for the tip, though.

    I have tried VirtaulDub very little. Maybe I will find it a valuable resource once I try it more?

    Quality is a very important aspect, and yet on the other hand being able to make good films at all, whatever resolution or video quality they may be, would be a great blessing.

    Alright. Thanks for the tip. Hopefully Adobe CS4 (not out, hopefully on the production line) will have direct .tod support.


    I like the sleek metal touch to the camera, the manual focus ring, nice LCD screen… but it’s sad that it has this .tod issue. Oh well, that’s what heroes are for, making it through the hard times under severe circumstances – and when it seems all hope is gone, someone reaches down and guides the way to victory. That’s the journey of life.

    Mine was ~$800 as well.

    I look forward to filming and sharing our stories of victory.

    God bless, fellow artist,

    Benjamin Bailey

    P.S. Something you may consider looking into: BlenderAVC. Rob Scott is writing a Blender (www.blender.org) build called BlenderAVC (currently 0.4) to process and edit HD files in Blender’s VSE (Video Sequence Editor.) I have (with Rob’s help) been trying to run and test the program, but as of yet have not been successful. Check it out here: http://www.openfilmmaking.com/wiki/index.php?title=BlenderAVC
    (P.S. You will need to manually “install” it. Follow these instructions: http://www.openfilmmaking.com/wiki/index.php?title=BlenderAVC#Install. However, I would recommend waiting till BlenderAVC 1.0 to try it out – unless you are familiar with Blender and want to test a program build.)

    Best wishes for the road ahead!

  3. Thanks very much Benjamin. I did the adobe plug-in thing and its great can edit 1440 x 1080. Great great help that was. I also investigated the cineform route. They have a number of programs – NEO and Aspect being the most relevant here. Now Aspect can only run on CS2 or CS3 and requires at least 2GB RAM…that rules me out as I only have 1 and ppro 1.5.1 (thanks again!) and additionally it is 500 bucks. The Neo product costs 250 bucks and gives you the same cineform intermediate in an .avi or .mov wrapper. I must say i am very impressed. On my 2 year old dell inspiron 9400 w/ core duo, 1GB, XP, 7200 rpm lacie…it runs great. The .avi files it creates are very big, but the conversion was much faster than that of mpeg streamclip, and the quality was very similar to the original. One slight problem is that de-interlacing wasnt so fantastic….so i would probably work with another more specialised de-interlacer. More details about de-interlacing can be found on http://www.100fps.com . I think this bit is really important in the quality stakes. The NEO product only offers a de-interlace check box which probably means that it is dropping frames (by the looks of some segments of my video). That website says virtualdub is the best deinterlacer on the market and i have heard it elsewhere as well. Its also free (yay!).

    So as it currently stands – i think cineform is way ahead – im on a 15 day trial – though i just found out that cineform are offering a 50 buck discount on Neo HDV (bringing that down to $199) – you can find the code here http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=3992 . During the next few days I want to try out the Morgan MJPEG2000 – which is similar wavelet codec to the one Cineform use. Their website is http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/ and i think they do a trial as well. But im not sure if they can read .tod files directly.

    ciao for now

  4. Socrato,

    You’re welcome! I’m glad it worked.

    Alright, thanks for all the resaerch you’ve done looking into this issue!

  5. Check out this link: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic345738.html >>Interesting read (the forum posts)

    I am considering downsizing to an SD MiniDV camcorder, like this one:

    Canon ZR-950

    For editing HD you may want to check into BlenderAVC (http://www.openfilmmaking.com/wiki/index.php?title=BlenderAVC) It’s currently at version 0.5 and I haven’t gotten it to work. But once it’s operable, it may be a viable solution.


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